Electric orbits

This laboratory is an activity for you to calculate an electric or magnetic orbit of an astronomical object. While it is part of the astronomy course principles of radiation astronomy, it is also independent.
Some suggested entities to consider are electric fields, magnetic fields, mass, charge, Euclidean space, Non-Euclidean space, or spacetime.
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Okay, this is an astronomy orbits laboratory, specifically to try out electric/magnetic orbits and where possible compare them to those calculated using gravity.
Yes, this laboratory is structured.
I will provide an example of an electric/magnetic orbit. The rest is up to you.
Questions, if any, are best placed on the discussion page.
Control group
For an electric or magnetic orbit, what would make an acceptable control group? Think about a control group to compare your calculations to.
I will provide one for my example.
Elliptical orbit
In terms of Cartesian coordinates, the general equation in three dimensions (x,y,z) for an object moving through the solar system is
In terms of right ascension (RA) and declination (Dec), the Cartesian coordinates become
To recover the Cartesian coordinates
Sources of forces
The Lorentz force is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a charge due to both fields.
For a particle of charge q moving with a velocity v through an electric field Ef and a magnetic field B, there is a force. There is an opposite reactive force. In the case of the magnetic field:
The gravitational force is given by
,
where:
- Fg is the force between the masses,
- G is the gravitational constant,
- m1 is the first mass,
- m2 is the second mass, and
- r is the distance between the centers of the masses.
Object approach
Consider an object of mass (m = 0.1M⊙) passing through the heliosphere of the Sun at a velocity of 20 km s-1 from a galactic location originally outside the heliosphere. There are no other large objects in orbit around the Sun at the time of this object's entry. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are not present.
The object has a surface negative charge of 0.2Q⊙ and an intrinsic magnetic field of 100 Gauss (G) directed vertically. A current of 5 e- per second is following along magnetic field lines toward the Sun from the object. A comparable number of protons are following magnetic field lines from the Sun to the object.
At t0 the object is at 1,000 AU. Its RA is 14h 30m Dec +46° 30'.
Let the Sun have a magnetic field of 1 G directed vertically. The charge on the Sun (Q⊙) is -3 x 1027 e.s.u.
Gravity
The apparent forces on the Sun and the object are
,
where:
- Fg is the force between the masses,
- G is the gravitational constant,
- 0.1M⊙ is the first mass,
- M⊙ is the second mass, and
- r is the distance between the centers of the masses.
Conversion of units:
- 1M⊙ ≈ 2 x 1030 kg
- 1 AU ≈ 1.5 x 108 km
- G ≈ 6.67 x 10-17 Nˑ(km/kg)2
Replacing the symbols with their physical equivalents yields
But, each of the constants used are approximates so Fg ≈ 1.19 x 1021 N.
Electrostatics
Coulomb's law states that the electrostatic force experienced by a charge,
at position
, in the vicinity of another charge,
at position
, in vacuum is equal to:
where is the electric constant and
is the distance between the two charges and the constant
is called the permittivity of free space in SI units of C2 m−2 N−1, where C is Coulombs.
ε0 ≈ 8.854 x 10-12 C2 m−2 N−1, or
ε0 ≈ 8.854 x 10-12 C2 10-6 km−2 N−1, then
ε0 ≈ 8.854 x 10-18 C2 km−2 N−1.
1 e.s.u. ≈ 3.34 x 10-10 C.
Each of the constants used are approximates so Fq ≈ 8.02 x 1028 N.
Magnetostatics
If the velocity noted on approach is the vector component pointed toward the Sun, then the angle between the velocity vector and the magnetic field of the Sun is about 180°.
Approximately, FqB ≈ 4.01 x 1017 N.
The total Lorentz force is predominantly the electrostatic force.
Statuses
“The ... Larmor radius ... is the radius of the circular motion of a charged particle in the presence of a uniform magnetic field.”[1] “[F]or a particle of energy E in EeV and charge Z in a magnetic field B in µG [the Larmor radius (RL)] is roughly”[2]
where
is the Larmor radius,
is the energy of the particle in EeV
is the charge of the particle, and
is the constant magnetic field.
Or,
where
is the Lamor or gyroradius,
is the mass of the charged particle,
is the velocity component perpendicular to the direction of the magnetic field,
is the charge of the particle, and
is the constant magnetic field for the Sun.
Larmor radii
For the object, as deflected by the Sun,
Or,
For the Sun, as deflected by the object,
Or,
Escape velocity
"For a spherically symmetric body, the escape velocity at a given distance is calculated by the formula:[3]
"where G is the universal gravitational constant (G = [6.67×10−17 km2 kg−2 N]), M the mass of the planet, star or other body, and r the distance from the center of gravity. The value GM is called the standard gravitational parameter, or μ, and is often known more accurately than either G or M separately."[4]
The escape velocity for the Sun at 1,000 AU is
The escape velocity for the object at 1,000 AU is
Pauli's exclusion principle
Another possible concern is Pauli's exclusion principle that incoming charged particles of the same sign must have opposite spins.
Initial position
At initial detection
- the Lamor radius is 1.33 x 10^9 AU,
- the escape velocity of the Sun is 1.33 km/s at 1,000 AU,
- the escape velocity of the object is 0.422 km/s at 1,000 AU.
Electric orbit
In order for the object to have an orbit around the Sun, its approach velocity of 20 km/s must be reduced to below the Sun's escape velocity of 1.33 km/s.
The electrostatic force is the major available force of repulsion to slow down the object. As it continues to travel closer to the Sun, the forces increase. But, an estimate can be calculated of how much time is required to reduce the object's velocity to below the Sun's escape velocity.
Or,
Evaluation
To assess your orbit calculations, including your justification, analysis and discussion, I will provide such an assessment of my example for comparison.
Title is "Back of the Envelope Electric Orbit".
by Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 22:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC).
Abstract
Using elementary formula an object's approach to the Sun is described using gravity and the Lorentz force. As both the Sun and the object have charges, the possible Larmor radii are calculated. Each object has an escape velocity with respect to the other. With an initial velocity toward the Sun it is shown that the overwhelming force is the electrostatic repulsion between the Sun and the object. Should this force continue to operate as the object moves toward the Sun, after more than about 12.9 hours the object's velocity will be below the escape velocity of the Sun. Whether the object's orbit is stable may depend on any likely tangential velocity. If there is none the object will eventually be repelled back out of the heliosphere. As there are currents of electrons and positive charges flowing between the two objects, the electrostatic repulsion could be reduced until only gravity holds the object in an orbit around the Sun.
Introduction
The objective is to test whether the measured charge on the Sun and a similar astronomical object entering the heliosphere would be sufficient to slow the object down sufficiently to allow its incoming velocity to drop below the Sun's escape velocity. In the past only gravity has been considered, with the result that the Sun cannot capture another astronomical object into an orbit unless its incoming velocity is less than 0.5 km/s and another object such as Jupiter assists.
Experimentation
Using an object of mass 10 % of the Sun's and 20 % of the Sun's charge with an incoming velocity toward the Sun of 20 km/s several calculations were made of the instantaneous forces between the objects at the initial approach.
Larmor radii were calculated to show the likely deflection of each object by the other. The escape velocities were also calculated as a simple way of assessing whether the forces involved could brake the object sufficiently to allow capture.
Discussion
The possible effect of the Pauli exclusion principle was not assessed. The forces were not allowed to vary differentially as the object continued to approach which would likely reduce the time to capture. If no tangential velocity exists the object would eventually be repelled back out of the solar system. Charge dissipation was not considered even though initial currents were indicated. Increases in either currents may have mitigated the repulsion and either sped up or slowed down the capture.
Conclusion
Although all likely conditions were not considered, a back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that an object entering the heliosphere with a charge comparable to that of the Sun, but at 40 times the currently accepted incursion and capture velocity, could be captured into some kind of orbit. The stability of the orbit with time was not assessed.
Research
Hypothesis:
- Electric currents between major astronomical objects can produce stable orbits.
Control groups

The findings demonstrate a statistically systematic change from the status quo or the control group.
“In the design of experiments, treatments [or special properties or characteristics] are applied to [or observed in] experimental units in the treatment group(s).[5] In comparative experiments, members of the complementary group, the control group, receive either no treatment or a standard treatment.[6]"[7]
Proof of concept
Def. a “short and/or incomplete realization of a certain method or idea to demonstrate its feasibility"[8] is called a proof of concept.
Def. evidence that demonstrates that a concept is possible is called proof of concept.
The proof-of-concept structure consists of
- background,
- procedures,
- findings, and
- interpretation.[9]
See also
References
- ↑ "Gyroradius, In: Wikipedia". San Francisco, California: Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. April 10, 2012. Retrieved 2012-08-22.
- ↑ P Sommers and S Westerhoff (May 12, 2009). "Cosmic ray astronomy". New Journal of Physics 11 (5): 055004. doi:10.1088/1367-2630/11/5/055004. http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/11/5/055004. Retrieved 2012-03-28.
- ↑ M.K. Khatri, P.R. Poudel, A.K. Gautam (2010). Principles of Physics. Kathmandu: Ayam Publication. pp. 170, 171. ISBN 9789937903844.
- ↑ "Escape velocity, In: Wikipedia". San Francisco, California: Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. January 12, 2014. Retrieved 2014-01-20.
- ↑ Klaus Hinkelmann, Oscar Kempthorne (2008). Design and Analysis of Experiments, Volume I: Introduction to Experimental Design (2nd ed.). Wiley. ISBN 978-0-471-72756-9. http://books.google.com/?id=T3wWj2kVYZgC&printsec=frontcover.
- ↑ R. A. Bailey (2008). Design of comparative experiments. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-68357-9. http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521683579.
- ↑ "Treatment and control groups, In: Wikipedia". San Francisco, California: Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. May 18, 2012. Retrieved 2012-05-31.
- ↑ "proof of concept, In: Wiktionary". San Francisco, California: Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. November 10, 2012. Retrieved 2013-01-13.
- ↑ Ginger Lehrman and Ian B Hogue, Sarah Palmer, Cheryl Jennings, Celsa A Spina, Ann Wiegand, Alan L Landay, Robert W Coombs, Douglas D Richman, John W Mellors, John M Coffin, Ronald J Bosch, David M Margolis (August 13, 2005). "Depletion of latent HIV-1 infection in vivo: a proof-of-concept study". Lancet 366 (9485): 549-55. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(05)67098-5. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1894952/. Retrieved 2012-05-09.
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